Hi all!
I used to be a daily r/selfhosted lurker and a bit active user.
Since the Reddit saga I thought that r/selfhosted would be one of the first and bigger community to move to Lemmy due to the IT knowledge of all of their users and the sensitivity about self host/privacy/open source, but I see that not only the community is still all there, but it’s rising. :(
That really makes me sad.
How can we convince the mods there to move people here?
Is it allowed to talk about Lemmy on Reddit or do we risk of being banned?
The fediverse keeps sabotaging itself with instances defederating left and right, that way it’ll never become an alternative regular user would want to join.
Defederation isn’t sabotage. It’s a feature for healthy communities.
Anyone that is interested in discussions on either defederated community, will create an account for both.
Honestly, for anyone not particularly tech literate it’s a bit confusing. It’s got Lemmy in the name. It’s the same UI. Most are going to wonder why they’re suddenly logged out or why they need another account. It’s not intuitive if it’s not something you’re particularly used to.
Anyone that is interested in discussions on either defederated community, will create an account for both.
And that is the reason why reddit is still growing. If you are required to make multiple accounts just to engage with the communities you want to engage with, Lemmy is no better than separate forums. And those all got overshadowed by reddit for a reason.
Either way, you won’t convert anyone by attacking them. If you want Lemmy to be able to replace proprietary social media platforms, which is something I want, you have to meet the users’ expectations. The expectation for Lemmy is a Reddit-like experience. But with the fracturing of Lemmy into instances that block each other, normal user will simply stay on Reddit.
The issue is I’m keen on following the self-hosting / server specific content but generally I’ve got nothing exciting to add. I can offer upvotes and kbin boosts 🚀
The change will come once people start searching for stuff on Google and they get results which link back to lemmy.
For that to happen we need people asking for help/feedback and getting their answers here.
I’m one of them! I didn’t even know about r/selfhosted when I was on Reddit but I found this place when I joined kbin. I’ve been thinking on-and-off over the last year about self hosting so subscribed. I still occasionally look at Reddit in view-only mode though (largely for legacy content) so I also subscribed to r/selfhosted over there too last time I checked it.
It’s not subscriber numbers that matter though, it’s active users and quality new posts - people who go to the sub regularly, upvote, comment, and create content that causes other people in turn to look at the sub. I’m still a subscriber to a tonne of Reddit subs that I used to post and comment regularly on, and now don’t. If every active Reddit user became a passive user then Reddit would grind to a halt overnight, regardless of how many users they notionally have.
Subscriber numbers mean little. Take a look at the trend for the posts per day and comments per day graphs. They’re far more accurate indicators of the level of engagement actual users are having with reddit.
I’ve just checked for 10 of the subs I used to subscribe to, 2 of which have over 30m subscribers - all of them have the same downward trend in terms of posts and comments. I’m not saying reddit is in trouble but less new content is being created and that which is is being talked about less, eventually that will take a toll.
if /r/lemmy is any proof; A) its ok to talk about lemmy on reddit and B) /u/spez has some validity in his point about users would be back not just because of the ‘48hr’ thing.
That said, yes a loud enough minority can create change and that discussion does need to happen where the users are for the network effect to kick off.
I had at least three comments talking about Lemmy removed too. For all I know it was many more than that because I didn’t get any notice or explanation.
My take is that they’re censoring without even informing people because the fediverse is a real threat to them.
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The fediverse keeps sabotaging itself with instances defederating left and right, that way it’ll never become an alternative regular user would want to join.
Defederation isn’t sabotage. It’s a feature for healthy communities. Anyone that is interested in discussions on either defederated community, will create an account for both.
Honestly, for anyone not particularly tech literate it’s a bit confusing. It’s got Lemmy in the name. It’s the same UI. Most are going to wonder why they’re suddenly logged out or why they need another account. It’s not intuitive if it’s not something you’re particularly used to.
And that is the reason why reddit is still growing. If you are required to make multiple accounts just to engage with the communities you want to engage with, Lemmy is no better than separate forums. And those all got overshadowed by reddit for a reason.
Lazy users is why Reddit blotted out individual forums.
There is an interesting op-ed adressing the ‘issue’ of ‘lazy users’: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/06/op-ed-why-the-great-twittermigration-didnt-quite-pan-out/
Either way, you won’t convert anyone by attacking them. If you want Lemmy to be able to replace proprietary social media platforms, which is something I want, you have to meet the users’ expectations. The expectation for Lemmy is a Reddit-like experience. But with the fracturing of Lemmy into instances that block each other, normal user will simply stay on Reddit.
Really mobile apps need to make multi-account easy, problem solved.
Soon.
You would think, of all the communities that would be comfortable with migration, it would be the folks from
/r/selfhosted!Fellow user from there, btw, nice to see we’ve got a decent pool of people on this board instead.
Totally agree. Thought the same when the reddit shitstorm happened.
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Do what you can to make this the place you want to be.
The issue is I’m keen on following the self-hosting / server specific content but generally I’ve got nothing exciting to add. I can offer upvotes and kbin boosts 🚀
The change will come once people start searching for stuff on Google and they get results which link back to lemmy. For that to happen we need people asking for help/feedback and getting their answers here.
Hmm does Lemmy need search engine optimization? I have no idea how seo works these days :/
correct and also back linking on our blogs/medium posts/etc…
Ever since the api shit happend, and mods left their subs unmoderated, I feel like there are more bot accounts/posts on Reddit than ever.
I’m one of them! I didn’t even know about r/selfhosted when I was on Reddit but I found this place when I joined kbin. I’ve been thinking on-and-off over the last year about self hosting so subscribed. I still occasionally look at Reddit in view-only mode though (largely for legacy content) so I also subscribed to r/selfhosted over there too last time I checked it.
It’s not subscriber numbers that matter though, it’s active users and quality new posts - people who go to the sub regularly, upvote, comment, and create content that causes other people in turn to look at the sub. I’m still a subscriber to a tonne of Reddit subs that I used to post and comment regularly on, and now don’t. If every active Reddit user became a passive user then Reddit would grind to a halt overnight, regardless of how many users they notionally have.
More subscribers… check More comment… maybe check Quality content… nah
I use RSS to get r/selfhosted post and I can guarantee that most posts are amateurs asking questions.
What do you mean? I’m here!
😁
Subscriber numbers mean little. Take a look at the trend for the posts per day and comments per day graphs. They’re far more accurate indicators of the level of engagement actual users are having with reddit.
I’ve just checked for 10 of the subs I used to subscribe to, 2 of which have over 30m subscribers - all of them have the same downward trend in terms of posts and comments. I’m not saying reddit is in trouble but less new content is being created and that which is is being talked about less, eventually that will take a toll.
if /r/lemmy is any proof; A) its ok to talk about lemmy on reddit and B) /u/spez has some validity in his point about users would be back not just because of the ‘48hr’ thing.
That said, yes a loud enough minority can create change and that discussion does need to happen where the users are for the network effect to kick off.
Some mods are deleting comments/posts promoting lemmy. I made a post in my fav sub about the community in lemmy and the mods deleted it.
I had at least three comments talking about Lemmy removed too. For all I know it was many more than that because I didn’t get any notice or explanation.
My take is that they’re censoring without even informing people because the fediverse is a real threat to them.