Yeah, using a 9 year old work laptop as my home server.
Then with the surging energy prices last year I decided to switch out that laptop with a raspberry pi 4 as server.
Conclusion: I now have a laptop and a RPI running 24/7 🤦♂️
My RPi4s and 3s will out perform my older laptops, apart from the just retired P50 (gpu nearly died). That one is 6y, the others are 11y old HPs and a 16y 32 bit Xxodd (wierd brand). tje RPis are sufficient for normal server use, the nwew laptop (last gen i9 with 64G mem) can host (nested) kvm clients, so no need for extra hardware. (And still I save them, just in case ;) )
I wouldn’t recommend a RPi for a server for anyone looking into this. Something like a ThinkCentre M92P will cost less and run circles around a RPi4, at not much more power. It will also support x86 and has Quick Sync tech which makes is great if you use something like jellyfin and need to do transcoding.
Even if you really need a low power SBC then a RPi4 was never the best option. The RockPro64 was released an entire year prior to the RPi4, and has a faster CPU. It supports booting from eMMC, and could boot from USB for like 2 years before the RPi figured it out. It also has a standard PCIe slot for adding SATA cards or extra ethernet ports instead of using the weird hat thing.
Personally though, I don’t think the tiny/mini/micro PCs can be beat, I run two of them at home for all my services.
I’m glad I don’t need computing power then. It just runs a webserver, 2 databases, mail environment, puppet master, icr client and some random stuff I just start and forget.
It does the trick here and it and it’s predecessor Rpi3 and 2 managed, are quiet and enough for here. Both 3s boot from microsd and run from USB SSD for the OS, data is on nas. All are stock, no extentions, apart from an extra USB nic on my firewall. (Somehow having 2 different physical interfaces sounded preferable to me for a firewall)
The old 3s are now interface for my smart meter and a domoticz system.
BTW I see the Thinkcenter you mention for €250 online, My RPi4 cost me as kit €108 (8GB version). That was before all prizes went trough the roof though, as I see the separate board now for €125.
BTW I see the Thinkcenter you mention for €250 online, My RPi4 cost me as kit €108 (8GB version). That was before all prizes went trough the roof though, as I see the separate board now for €125.
A ThinkCentre M92P can be had for < €100 on eBay, like even down to €50-70 sometimes. I’m not saying you shouldn’t use a RPi if you already have them, but RPi has not been worth it going back to the RPi3. If anyone needs to get hardware to setup their server, the tiny/mini/micro lines are better.
I was put off of RPis since the RPi3 too, the way they misled people with their marketing about it having a gigabit port which was on a shared bus so it was not really true put me off of them. And Pine64 boards have been better with the RockPro over the RPi3, and the RockPro64 way better than the RPi4.
I thought about it, but the additional display, made me think about power saving, how to shut off screen, while keeping the headless service loaded? … premature optimization?
Yup! Usually running some local/dev docker containers for work, so I don’t slow down the laptop I’m actually using with background stuff. They get hot, and I keep them in places where they get hot, but they haven’t died from the heat yet.
I’m talking about the LCD/monitor. Maybe @penguin_knight keeps the LCD and mounts it to the board as well. If not, it’s headless. Mouse and keyboard are not the issue. I always set up raspberry pi headless because the OS allows it. All you have to do is add an ssh file to the /boot dir and wpa_supplicant.conf file in root dir. Other distros typically don’t, they need a monitor to be installed.
I know, that’s why I wrote external peripherals and not external inputs.
I don’t want to sound cocky or be an asshole (we all know how easy it is by just reading a message someone you don’t know wrote), but after 24 years of being in system administration/engineering/architecture I may have sufficient grasp of what I am talking about. 😅
I have like 3 spare laptops, and another spare computer. I’m not running anything right now because this router doesn’t support port forwarding no matter what I try (it’s a firmware issue apparently), but they’re always there for me when I need them.
That’s the whole thing. I was on CGNAT, and decided to pay $10 monthly to fix it and get a public ip. But NOW I find out the fucking router doesn’t even work. It’s apparently this exact model that has the issue. And only this one. I don’t know if I could replace the firmware.
My laptop for home use is almost 15 years old. My desktop is almost 11 years old. My work laptop is 8 years old. Here they are talking about more modern and powerful equipment, defining them as obsolete. I don’t know, maybe we should start questioning if these consumption dynamics are a bit harmful.
My home server started as an HP Pavilion P6803w desktop PC. A decade later it has a better case, better power supply, more RAM, better CPU, more drives and runs Debian instead of Windows 7. The only original part is the motherboard.
The battery is usually long gone by the time it becomes a server though.
Absolutely. I still have my laptop from high school, and it’s battery has been long gone. The screen is on its last legs.
Maybe it will be a server one day, but for now it’s my DnD laptop. Sucks a bit when somebody bumps the power cord and the battlemap turns off. But it’s still limping by.
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Yeah, using a 9 year old work laptop as my home server. Then with the surging energy prices last year I decided to switch out that laptop with a raspberry pi 4 as server.
Conclusion: I now have a laptop and a RPI running 24/7 🤦♂️
My RPi4s and 3s will out perform my older laptops, apart from the just retired P50 (gpu nearly died). That one is 6y, the others are 11y old HPs and a 16y 32 bit Xxodd (wierd brand). tje RPis are sufficient for normal server use, the nwew laptop (last gen i9 with 64G mem) can host (nested) kvm clients, so no need for extra hardware. (And still I save them, just in case ;) )
I wouldn’t recommend a RPi for a server for anyone looking into this. Something like a ThinkCentre M92P will cost less and run circles around a RPi4, at not much more power. It will also support x86 and has Quick Sync tech which makes is great if you use something like jellyfin and need to do transcoding.
Even if you really need a low power SBC then a RPi4 was never the best option. The RockPro64 was released an entire year prior to the RPi4, and has a faster CPU. It supports booting from eMMC, and could boot from USB for like 2 years before the RPi figured it out. It also has a standard PCIe slot for adding SATA cards or extra ethernet ports instead of using the weird hat thing.
Personally though, I don’t think the tiny/mini/micro PCs can be beat, I run two of them at home for all my services.
I’m glad I don’t need computing power then. It just runs a webserver, 2 databases, mail environment, puppet master, icr client and some random stuff I just start and forget.
It does the trick here and it and it’s predecessor Rpi3 and 2 managed, are quiet and enough for here. Both 3s boot from microsd and run from USB SSD for the OS, data is on nas. All are stock, no extentions, apart from an extra USB nic on my firewall. (Somehow having 2 different physical interfaces sounded preferable to me for a firewall)
The old 3s are now interface for my smart meter and a domoticz system.
BTW I see the Thinkcenter you mention for €250 online, My RPi4 cost me as kit €108 (8GB version). That was before all prizes went trough the roof though, as I see the separate board now for €125.
A ThinkCentre M92P can be had for < €100 on eBay, like even down to €50-70 sometimes. I’m not saying you shouldn’t use a RPi if you already have them, but RPi has not been worth it going back to the RPi3. If anyone needs to get hardware to setup their server, the tiny/mini/micro lines are better.
https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimicro-home-lab-revolution/
I was put off of RPis since the RPi3 too, the way they misled people with their marketing about it having a gigabit port which was on a shared bus so it was not really true put me off of them. And Pine64 boards have been better with the RockPro over the RPi3, and the RockPro64 way better than the RPi4.
Sounds like a win to me. lol
I thought about it, but the additional display, made me think about power saving, how to shut off screen, while keeping the headless service loaded? … premature optimization?
In Linux it is possible to turn the screen off after a timeout and keep the system on with the lid closed.
Exactly, and what other OS to use for old device turned server than Linux?
You can use windows 7 or windows AME but not sure it’s a good idea tho. What’s wrong with using Linux?
I meant it as rhetorical question with obvious answer.
Yup! Usually running some local/dev docker containers for work, so I don’t slow down the laptop I’m actually using with background stuff. They get hot, and I keep them in places where they get hot, but they haven’t died from the heat yet.
One of my home servers is an X230
X230 is nice!
I’d rather take it out tho
Well mine has a KO battery and keyboard sooo
Understandable…
i disaseemble all my laptops so they are just a motherboard, screw them into sheets of MDF, place vertically, and use them as servers.
NAS, pihole, plex, etc
Do you do a headless install like Ubuntu Server Preseed?
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cobbler/Preseed
Or do you install linux on an SSD from a different machine, then plug it into MDF mounted laptop mobo?
I would guess by plugging external peripherals to the motherboard.
I’m talking about the LCD/monitor. Maybe @penguin_knight keeps the LCD and mounts it to the board as well. If not, it’s headless. Mouse and keyboard are not the issue. I always set up raspberry pi headless because the OS allows it. All you have to do is add an
sshfile to the/bootdir andwpa_supplicant.conffile in root dir. Other distros typically don’t, they need a monitor to be installed.I know, that’s why I wrote external peripherals and not external inputs. I don’t want to sound cocky or be an asshole (we all know how easy it is by just reading a message someone you don’t know wrote), but after 24 years of being in system administration/engineering/architecture I may have sufficient grasp of what I am talking about. 😅
I have like 3 spare laptops, and another spare computer. I’m not running anything right now because this router doesn’t support port forwarding no matter what I try (it’s a firmware issue apparently), but they’re always there for me when I need them.
Any way to use other firmware? My shitty ISP is giving private IP address, so I just use tailscale instead.
That’s the whole thing. I was on CGNAT, and decided to pay $10 monthly to fix it and get a public ip. But NOW I find out the fucking router doesn’t even work. It’s apparently this exact model that has the issue. And only this one. I don’t know if I could replace the firmware.
My laptop for home use is almost 15 years old. My desktop is almost 11 years old. My work laptop is 8 years old. Here they are talking about more modern and powerful equipment, defining them as obsolete. I don’t know, maybe we should start questioning if these consumption dynamics are a bit harmful.
based and sustainability-pilled
My home server started as an HP Pavilion P6803w desktop PC. A decade later it has a better case, better power supply, more RAM, better CPU, more drives and runs Debian instead of Windows 7. The only original part is the motherboard.
I turned my ten year old Toshiba i7 with a cracked LCD into a virtual fish tank after the last fish died.
I salute your creativity haha
Cool. A friend had one in a fireplace that played a fire video in the evenings - with the crackling sounds too.
ATBGE!
I’m patiently waiting for someone (anyone) I know to decide to throw out an old laptop.
Gonna bite their hand off for it, install Linux and proceed to fuck around and find out.
Old laptops can are actually great servers—hear me out:
The battery is usually long gone by the time it becomes a server though.
Really old laptops have PCMCIA slots too that you can hook into newer interfaces. I used a PCMCIA eSATA card for a laptop NAS!
Absolutely. I still have my laptop from high school, and it’s battery has been long gone. The screen is on its last legs.
Maybe it will be a server one day, but for now it’s my DnD laptop. Sucks a bit when somebody bumps the power cord and the battlemap turns off. But it’s still limping by.